Monday, January 23, 2006

It's all just a litte bit of history repeating

If you're not with us, you're against us.

from Salon
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26 Comments:

At 4:59 PM, Blogger Tom posited...

what in history is repeating itself? what spurred you to write "if you're not with us, you're against us"? Bush didn't ACTUALLY do what he did in that cartoon, did he? is there any specific reason for this post or is it just your distaste for the administration boiling over?

i don't like reading things like this. it makes me feel like somebody punched me from behind and then ran away...

 
At 5:35 PM, Blogger Tay posited...

tom, the reason you don't see the irony is that you don't accept the "war on terror" as a war of deceit, power, and economics. mlk says that we should stop being hegemons (to embelish a bit) and look more inward and help our fellow man. bush looks outward and oppresses the will of america onto others, while helping only those already well off and cutting off funding to those who need it most. feel like however you want, but what dr. king said still rings true today, and this is because history is repeating itself because we fail to accept that we make mistakes and learn from them.

 
At 6:39 PM, Blogger P "N" K posited...

Tay, why don't you get off of the debate babble, pull an Antony, and come down from the fricking pulpit.

Bush is imposing the will of America on terrorists who, if left unchecked, would gladly kill as many of our citizens as they could. So EXCUSE ME for applauding that. Iraq or no Iraq, the War on Terror needs to be fought. Because if we just accept it as "something we'll never win" or "a hopeless cause" then guess what, we lost without even firing a shot, either literally or figuratively. And that's the height of stupidity for anyone with an ounce of common sense.

Let's give MLKJr. a bit of credit. I doubt he'd condone the murder of over 3000 American citizens in New York City either.

 
At 8:46 PM, Blogger CoachDub posited...

"Iraq or no Iraq, the War on Terror needs to be fought."

No one has ever argued that here, Parker.

But we could do that better had we not invaded Iraq.

 
At 8:52 PM, Blogger CoachDub posited...

I just never suspected that you were among the masses who still buy into the nonsense that the two are related.

 
At 9:06 PM, Blogger Houley posited...

If by "the masses" you mean

Tom Daschle
John Kerry
John McCain
Dick Gephardt
the list goes on...

Once we went in on their votes, we weren't rationally coming back out...

 
At 9:23 PM, Blogger Johnny V posited...

They changed their minds once they saw the war was a bunch of bullshit.

 
At 9:24 PM, Blogger Tom posited...

yeah. they change their minds and badmouth it and use it as a political tactic, while us "masses" realize that it has become less than an ideal situation and just want to get through it the best we can without losing everything we've gained.

 
At 9:56 PM, Blogger Carson posited...

Tay-
Because there are bad scary people out there who want to kill Americans, any action is justified to keep us secure?

If I remember correctly, Bush was pretty much wrong in every aspect of the fight in Iraq thus far.

Please tell me how the war in Iraq has made our country any more secure.

Please tell me how spying on Americans WITHOUT WARRANTS has made our country any more secure.

You said, "Let's give MLKJr. a bit of credit. I doubt he'd condone the murder of over 3000 American citizens in New York City either." So in other words, if you condemn what happened on 9/11 you must accept limitless war and unending power of the executive. Bullshit.

There are always going to be people who want to kill us, and that won't change be invading a country like Iraq. It will change by targeting the people that actually cause terrorism.

How many terrorists from Iraq were involved in bombing New York City? None. Nada. Zip.

We have a President that has been less than honest with the American public and has consistently fouled up every major task undertaken (Iraq, Osama bin Laden, Katrina, etc.). When is enough... enough?

 
At 9:57 PM, Blogger Carson posited...

Tom-
What exactly have we gained?

 
At 10:57 PM, Blogger Tom posited...

hussein

 
At 11:24 PM, Blogger CoachDub posited...

Jason -- Your list of congressmen is meaningless, since my comment said the word "still" in it.
And none of those people ever once said Saddam had anything to do with 9/11, but by Parker bringing up the 3000 dead Americans, he clearly thinks the two are related.

And Tom, thank goodness no Republicans have used the war as a political tactic.

 
At 11:25 PM, Blogger Tom posited...

well they can't really anymore, can they?

 
At 11:28 PM, Blogger CoachDub posited...

By the way, Tay. I think your original comment here was right on the money.

And Jake, your comment should have been addressed to P"n"K, not Tay.

 
At 11:32 PM, Blogger Carson posited...

Hussein? Hussein what? Can you please elaborate?

 
At 11:34 PM, Blogger Carson posited...

Oops-
You are right W.
I meant p "n" k, sorry tay.

 
At 11:59 PM, Blogger Tom posited...

i honestly didn't think that i needed to elaborate, and i still don't think that it's necessary.

 
At 1:08 AM, Blogger Carson posited...

Tom-
Nothing about Iraq is so black and white that it can be described in one word.

Most war supporters would argue we have gained security and an ally in the Middle East, and I would strongly disagree on those points. But at least they have some formal structure.

To just say "Hussein" is avoiding serious discussion.

 
At 1:11 AM, Blogger CoachDub posited...

And just to clear up, Tom . . . When you say " well they can't really anymore, can they?" --
So you're not angry that Democrats use the war for political gain; you're just mad that Republicans can't anymore, right?

 
At 1:31 AM, Blogger Tom posited...

nope

 
At 10:14 AM, Blogger Manda posited...

This is completely off topic but I have to ask:

WHAT do the frogs mean in magnolia?! How do they just fall from the sky!? insanity....I kept thinking a plane carrying frogs for frog legs dropped a million frogs...Granted I know I shouldnt focus on the frogs...bah!

 
At 11:19 AM, Blogger CoachDub posited...

Well, that's tricky. Here's one article:
Magnolia

It is an excellent article (the frog part is near the end)But it connects to two other things in the movie: the frequent reference to Exodus 8:2 throughout the movie. Exodus 8:2 is about the "plague of frogs" in the Bible. But the frogs also connect to the beginning of the move, with all of those things that "just happen."

Read the article. It's quite good.

 
At 12:16 PM, Blogger Carson posited...

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At 12:19 PM, Blogger Carson posited...

Here is another good article about frog rain (although it doesn't get into the Magnolia connection).

 
At 1:03 PM, Blogger Kid C posited...

I wish alligators had rained down in MY yard (sigh)

 
At 4:14 PM, Blogger Houley posited...

"But we could do that better had we not invaded Iraq."
The list I gave voted for the war.

"I just never suspected that you were among the masses who still buy into the nonsense that the two are related."
True, nobody on that list still believes what they voted for. Very few do. That doesn't change the fact that they voted for it.

Hence:
"Once we went in on their votes, we weren't rationally coming back out..."

Which compliments:
"it has become less than an ideal situation and [we] just want to get through it the best we can without losing everything we've gained."

If you think Iraq stands to gain by immediate U.S. troop withdrawal, voice your opinion here. I'll even choreograph the Shi'ites', Sunnis', and Kurds' hand-in-hand dancing and cue The Turtles' "Happy Together."

 

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